Is Patrizier 3 worse than 2?

  • Hello, one question. I'm about to buy Patrizier 3 from the GOG store and looked at the reviews and was puzzled by one of them.

    How reliable is this review? Is P2 really better than 3?


  • Hi Deceiver,


    Welcome to the forum!


    No idea what is compared in this review but it is surely not P2 vs P3.

    P2 was published in 2000/2001, in Germany an expansion called "Aufschwung der Hanse" became available in 2002. For the international market the main game and the expansion were merged in a compilation and released as Patrician III: Rise of the Hanse in 2003. So, in the end P3 is P2 including the expansion and thus I would always prefer P3.



    Regards,

    Cete

  • Patrician 2 is not the same as Patrician 3.

    P2 is Hard very Hard even on easy settings.

    Im rather new into P2/P3 but both are fabolous.


    P2 is more serious and realistic.

    You cant buy cutlasses.

    You cant save your traderoutes.

    Your manager cant sell to town which indeed makes P2 much harder. And he is buying at high cost.



    P3 is more streamlined,easier but very fun.

    Piratehunting and seabattles are differential from P2 and P3. In P3 you can see the damage done.

    I have fixed this issue by the aid of a mousetrigger for 5 point mouse. Example thumb is fire etc.

    Leave town wheel Up.

    Select ship. Button 1 etc etc...

    It makes the game a lot easier to handle. More "arcadish".


    I would call P2 a brute Beast and P3 a polite masterpiece.


    The learning-curve is steep though.

    Hasnt been Lord Mayor yet.

    Learning about hub-trading and optimizing traderoutes.

    Meanwhile creating PDF:s for optimal pricing/production/profit. As im playing solely as a Hanseatic merchant.


    Will upload PDF and mousetriggersettings soon.

    Files

    • Cities.pdf

      (425.74 kB, downloaded 77 times, last: )

    Sell as much at least at 15% margin is aquired.

    The Hanseatic Empire as a whole had a profit margin at 15% anually.

    Producing timber can also make a profit, but only where it has full production.

    Even in the hardest settings. Historically the Hanseatic purchased the timber from Torun and Alborg.

    Thoose 18 Golden is lost gold...

    The post was edited 1 time, last by Brygge ().

  • Heres the mapping-settings.

    1=buy 1

    2=buy 5

    3=buy 50

    4=buy Max


    Sell as much at least at 15% margin is aquired.

    The Hanseatic Empire as a whole had a profit margin at 15% anually.

    Producing timber can also make a profit, but only where it has full production.

    Even in the hardest settings. Historically the Hanseatic purchased the timber from Torun and Alborg.

    Thoose 18 Golden is lost gold...

  • Heres the mousetriggersettings

    Sell as much at least at 15% margin is aquired.

    The Hanseatic Empire as a whole had a profit margin at 15% anually.

    Producing timber can also make a profit, but only where it has full production.

    Even in the hardest settings. Historically the Hanseatic purchased the timber from Torun and Alborg.

    Thoose 18 Golden is lost gold...

  • Hello Brygge and welcome to the forum!



    Now I have to answer... because what you wrote is not correct. That's not a bad thing because - if you haven't become mayor in P2 yet - you're not that familiar with P2 yet. In any case, it's nice that you're trying to help!



    In fact, becoming mayor isn't as hard as you write. Even a beginner should be able to do this in 1 year. Simply trade, build ships (or board them by the pirates - escort orders! ). Your reputation increases quickly and you can stand for election. The quickest way to do it is in our tip collection - which unfortunately is only available in German. But maybe you can hunt individual passages through the translator...



    The pdf you attached also includes prices (purchase, sale). I hope the sales prices are not your standard. The profit would be quite high, but that wouldn't make your population happy/satisfied. But that is exactly the key to success...



    Good supply of cities -> population becomes satisfied/happy -> population grows -> more goods are needed ( -> construction of businesses) -> supply of cities...



    Pirate ships are free. Accept an escort and a ship yourself (Kraier or cog, fully manned and equipped with cutlasses, if there are only a few there like at the start of the game, they are enough for now). As a beginner you can board 5 ships per month. With a little practice it will be well over 10 per month. Our “cracks” managed 1 ship a day. Please do not destroy them, the ships will sail for you later. You can board it without firing a shot ;) This requires a captain with a combat level of 3 or higher (and perhaps a good sailing level). As a result, fewer of our own sailors die.



    There is information about the sales prices in the tip collection under Tips and Tricks, please take a look there. Basic supplies such as beer, fish, grain, wood are usually resold at the cost of production - or less (grain, among other things, has a manufacturing penalty in winter and therefore becomes more expensive).



    The goods that bring money are hardware, furs, wine and cloth. Yes, spices too, but the quantities that can be sold profitably are tiny.



    The stupid thing about P2 is that, as far as I know, it's not available in English... which is why P3 is probably the better game variant for English speakers.



    I hope you enjoy playing and if you have any questions, please write in here when you play P2. Although the game mechanics are supposed to be the same.



    Best regards


    (translated by google translator)

  • Currently playing P3 on Hard just to learn THE game

    The creation of the X-Mouse and KeySharp is to make battles and bying easier. The PDF is for Patrician 3. The X-Mouse KeySharp for both.

    I have No armament problem and bying.

    with X-Mouse and the thumbcontrol=fire/buy.

    For P2 aswell for P3. So that is correct.

    The PDF is for Patrician 3 sorry for THE confusion.

    Should be clearer about that!

    Nevertheless im downloaded the Tipssamlung which indeed makes for some interresting Read.


    But it Still misses some explaining.

    For example the things you Said.

    When starting a fish-factory in Lübeck you should sell it directly to town with a really small margin IF i have understood things correct?


    And how is THE most efficient way to do that i P2?


    Stop:1 Load all on ship

    Stop:2 Sell fish

    Stop:3 Unload unselled fish


    Ex:) just selling fish to Lübeck you produce yourself.


    Is that the right way to do it in P2?

    In P3 you have the warehouse manager, but in P2 its your captain (4 trades a Day according to Tipssamlung).


    Thanks for THE feedback.

    .

    Sell as much at least at 15% margin is aquired.

    The Hanseatic Empire as a whole had a profit margin at 15% anually.

    Producing timber can also make a profit, but only where it has full production.

    Even in the hardest settings. Historically the Hanseatic purchased the timber from Torun and Alborg.

    Thoose 18 Golden is lost gold...

  • Hello Brygge!


    I'll try to explain that.


    Fish business: No, not in this city. In addition to your own businesses that you can build in a city, city-owned businesses of this type have existed from the beginning. These businesses are always first equipped with workers and produce and hand over the produced goods to the town hall.


    When it comes to fish, there is usually no problem with the supply (of fish) as long as the city has enough salt and hemp in the market hall. For the supply (of the Hanseatic League), it is therefore important to sell fish in the cities where it is not produced.


    Sales: I would always let the office manager do the sales. Firstly, he can do it better (Gehtnix once told me) and secondly, you only tie up your captains (3 actions in the harbor, each lasting 6 hours). They can make the purchase (if they have the highest possible trading bonus).


    If I remember correctly, I would set the route like this (for supplies):


    1st Stop: Load fish in the city that produces fish. You have previously calculated the amount based on the consumption in the destination city and may have added a safety surcharge for growth, ice in winter, ...)

    2nd stop: In the target city that needs the fish, load all the fish from the warehouse.

    3rd stop: Unload the quantity of fish loaded at stop 1 into the warehouse.

    4th Stop: Unload all goods (and repair the ship) in the city that produces the fish.


    Of course, this only makes sense if the fish city is also a central warehouse. Otherwise you would need too many ships to move goods.


    Warehouse Manager/Captain: The warehouse manager buys/sells exactly once per day. Midday, if I remember correctly. The captain can perform an action (in the same port) every 6 hours.


    I don't know if there is one efficient strategy in P2/P3. That also depends on your own playing style. And the strategy of (for example mine) is not the strategy that is most effective for you. Unlike most people here, I usually play with 2 central warehouses, one in the North Sea and one in the Baltic Sea. And at the end of the day, the game should be fun, even after so many years :)


    Best regards


    (translated by Google Translate)

  • So its make more sense to import stockfish from Bergen for under 400 Golden than producing it in Lubeck,

    according if you have a Kontor in Bergen?


    Than producing it in Lubeck?

    Nevertheless, i still stay with my statement that this game have a really hard learning-curve that

    maybe scare off the more advanced player, stating that they give in to privateer and buckaneer style of playing.


    Yes the game if fun but may i see a tad bit of a "click-fest".

    To much of a micromanagement in some cases.

    But ill guess thats the charm of being a Patrician.

    Sell as much at least at 15% margin is aquired.

    The Hanseatic Empire as a whole had a profit margin at 15% anually.

    Producing timber can also make a profit, but only where it has full production.

    Even in the hardest settings. Historically the Hanseatic purchased the timber from Torun and Alborg.

    Thoose 18 Golden is lost gold...

  • Sell as much at least at 15% margin is aquired.

    The Hanseatic Empire as a whole had a profit margin at 15% anually.

    Producing timber can also make a profit, but only where it has full production.

    Even in the hardest settings. Historically the Hanseatic purchased the timber from Torun and Alborg.

    Thoose 18 Golden is lost gold...